Fanning The Flames Of Ignorance And Liberty Or Just Being Stupid ?

Fanning The Flames Of Ignorance And Liberty Or Just Being Stupid ?

It should come as no surprise to anyone that with the upcoming ninth anniversary of the September attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon Building the nation has yet to heal from the most heinous of attacks perpetrated on US soil. And while we're seeing a rise in anti-Islamic resentment and a full scale attack on Muslims not just verbally but also physically with a number of what we're told are now random acts of violence. I've got to ask myself is this country actually now reverting back to the sixties and earlier wherein the seeds of resentment were actually aimed at African Americans and other minorities of color ? Clearly an argument could be made that this seems to be journey now being taken . Call it what you will xenophobia , racism or just plain ignorance and the unwillingness to accept the differences between the races that makes us so different.

This all seems to be coming from a rallying cry of what appears to zealous bigots who are stating that this is simply their way of reacting to the actions of the radical Islamists and jihadists out there whose call for death to imperialistic Zionists has to be heard. And while I condone those atrocities carried out by Al Qaeda and the Taliban I’ve got to say that should the proposed action of the Florida pastor Terry Jones of the Dove World Outreach Center in Gainesville, Florida ________ who calls for the burning of the Quran this Saturday to commemorate the tenth anniversary of 9/11 and also to act as a deterrent to the Islamists of the country’s will. I see it as a rather futile and idiotic act that will not only place the lives of US military men and women in harm’s way as well as that of the coalition forces still waging on an ongoing war for the survival of Afghanistan and Iraq. Somehow this seems to have been lost on this pastor and the members of his congregation who seem intent on joining him in this exercise .

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Having served in the military courtesy of Her Majesty’s (UK) armed forces in the Royal Marines where my own experiences on the front line was to witness what full blown atrocities were all about with the actions of the IRA in Ireland as well as on mainland Britain. I can say to you that any life lost on the field of battle is a needless one, unless there’s a certainty that one knows what exactly it is that you’re fighting for. I’ve taken lives in the service of my country and I’ve also tried to assist in the rebuilding of lives as it concerns that of the returning servicemen from active duty from both fronts in the current war being waged on terror. The law firm for which I work does a great deal of pro-bono work in order to aid military veterans gain the services denied to them by the VA and government due to the bureaucracy that tends to be thrown up in their path repeatedly. And for those of you who currently believe that the US government does all it can to assist these men and women then think again as nothing could be further from the truth. There have been horror stories out there that’ve gone reported and unreported that shows that this country tends to do a horrendous job in really honoring its men and women in the military. The lip service that’s paid by the politicians and on air political pundits alike is merely being done to solicit favoritism and little else beyond that.

Courtesy of The San Francisco Chronicle

9/11 Burn a Quran day motivated by Terry Jones’ greed, money & avarice ?

By Yobie Benjamin

Terry Jones, zealot pastor of a Florida church called the Dove World Outreach Center of Gainesville and author of “Islam is of the Devil” claims to be motivated and inspired by God as he toys with the world’s leaders, media and lives of American soldiers and civilians.

Barack Obama, Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Pope Benedict, Hillary Clinton, NATO, Interpol, every country in the European Union, every religious group in Gainesville, Florida and perhaps the entire civilized world has implored and pleaded with the zealot so-called pastor Terry Jones to cease and desist from burning Korans on September 11, 2010. The foreign ministries of Pakistan and Bahrain issued official denunciations with Bahrain calling it a “shameful act which is incompatible with the principles of tolerance and coexistence.” The president of Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, has also sent a letter to President Obama asking him to stop the bonfire.In Pakistan, about 200 lawyers and civil society members marched and burned a U.S. flag in the central Pakistani city of Multan, demanding that Washington halt the burning of the Muslim holy book.

Jones’ answer? He feigns religious persecution. He says his bank wants his church to pay what it is owed. He also says he has 200 Korans and he wants buy more to burn. There is no subtext or code for what this pastor wants. He wants you to send him and his 50 followers money and lots of it. Yes, please send money by joining as a “member” of the church. He also needs money because Florida authorities discovered that he was running a for-profit eBay enterprise and the state wants to get paid for sales taxes.

God has no part of Jones’ plan. Jones’ plan is the Terry Jones plan and it was the reason why his old church in Cologne Germany fired him. His motive is as earthly, worldly and as old as humanity itself – greed and avarice. Terry Jones has figured out the magic formula to get every self loathing zealot nut job in the world to send him money — Get on every TV, radio, newspaper and web site and plead for like minded idiots to send money. There is no doubt that several hundreds of new “members” have sent in their tithes to pastor fake doctor of theology.

The First Amendment of the US Constitution protects Jones’ right to say and do what he wants. Jones has the right to burn Korans even in the face of Gen. David Petraeus’s dire warnings. To emphasize his intention to burn Korans, Jones wrote a screed on his blog.

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Now you may consciously ask why can’t this pastor carry out his wish to burn the Quran as it is his wish , given his First Amendment Rights ? But I’d ask what en if the repercussions should be the loss of US military lives or that of US civilians abroad as an act of retaliation ? Does that comfort those who think this ought to be an appropriate act by the pastor ? Regardless of what your beliefs might be, this all could create a tremendous amount of blow-back for all of the wrong reasons of which we will have to ask ourselves was it all worth it at the end of the day ? Clearly there’s food and room for thought here on all sides of this equation no matter what one’s beliefs might be.

For many of us the devastation and emotional horror of that momentous day is still something of a traumatic shock to the system and it may well have felt surreal. I can only speak for myself when I say that I was aghast sad and horrified when the reality began to set in as to what had taken place on 11th September 2001. For many of my friends and relatives whom I knew lived in the New York my immediate concern was for their safety but also the needless loss of lives all for the purpose to send a message of hate was one that simply reviled me. Now in the same essence I view the actions of this pastor as simply playing into the hands of the radical Islamists (Muslims) who’ll merely use this as another way of showing that they can simply show us that the disdain they have for all things Westernized and that should they choose to unleash a new reign of terror then we will simply have no real reply for it all. It’s not as if this pastor himself will take to the field of battle but he’ll simply revert to the fact that it was his calling and God’s will ? Well I was under the impression that the Christian teachings taught us to be compassionate and tolerant of others ?

Islam itself is being perverted by fundamentalist clerics (imams) but unfortunately there are very few Muslims who are actually prepared to step forward and make their own thoughts be heard as a passionate call to show that they don’t believe in the perversion of their religion. And it’s the same here with this pastor and the very fact that there has been little or no call to state their disdain for what is being proposed by Terry Jones . On the right of the political aisle there’s little opposition and to the left of the argument you have those stating that it is within the pastor’s rights no matter how abhorrent it might appear to be. That may well be the case but what about common sense and decency ? Clearly this pastor and the members of his congregation think that they’re above that and that whatever transpires out of this all won’t be any concern of theirs even if it means the loss military lives.

Here also you have right wing Christian conservatives who come out and openly with disdain in their protests outside of military funerals and have called stated the fallen men of women of the US military who’ve died so valiantly and with honor in the service of their country. They have in effect stated that their deaths have been because this country has sought to embrace homosexuality,socialistic ideals and other things that they deem to be perverted and un-American . Which begs the question what is now meant to be American in terms of an ideology ? Unfortunately these idiots aren’t as enlightened or as educated as they believe themselves to be.

As the ninth anniversary 9/11 approaches this ought to be a time of reflection and conciliation but instead we’re seeing a divergence of not only of cultural beliefs but morals and integrity on both sides of the diaspora with each faction trying to lay claim that they’re right. The sadness in the midst of this all is that while this idiocy carries on the lessons there to be learned and taught are falling on deaf ears. And it’s an indictment of how far man has fallen of his path as a human being .

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What are your own thoughts on the actions being proposed by this pastor and if there’s retaliatory actions taken by the terrorists how would you feel about it ? By all means simply chime in with your thoughts on the matter and as always thanks for the continued support !

Alan aka tophatal 🙂

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Author: tophatal ...........

Brit ex-pat living C Florida . Now working with a consultancy firm in the field of corporate governance on the international front , concerning economic policies . Also covering the area of finance , banking, international banking. An MBA graduate from the (LSE) and UCL (London) , M&A (mergers & acquisitions), economics , risk management & assessment . Martial artist (tae-kwondo, karate, savate , muy-thai) & an vowed sports ' fan , sports' junkie. Served in armed forces British ... Royal Marines . Taught unarmed combat to members of the military and also competed in tournaments prior to joining the Royal Marines . Also an avid motorcycle junkie & free running enthusiast . Tech geek and computer repair technician. Entertainment: Musical tastes _ reggae, r&b, soul, hip-hop, rap , jazz, classical. Film genres , Preferably thrillers , crime dramas Hobbies ..... reading biographies & anything by John Grisham Just a lil' something to make me feel comfortable ! Tophatal

16 thoughts on “Fanning The Flames Of Ignorance And Liberty Or Just Being Stupid ?”

  1. And this asshole should be closely watched as well as he’s instigating these bigoted idiots in their tirade at military funerals . The Rev Fred Phelps . I wonder why the likes of Beck , Hannity , O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Palin seemingly don’t berate his ass ? Instead they’re way too busy with their so call , call to arms of restoring the country. Restoring for what ? When many of their own have actually been behind its fall from grace. What a bunch of friggin’ hypocrites !

    This f_cking asshole and his followers up and down the country have simply made the lives hell of the families of fallen soldiers in their time of solace at those funerals.

    Can there be anything more disdainful than this at a outside a military funeral and those families having to endure that ? Where’s the so called compassion and reverence for those lost on the field of battle ?

    tophatal ……… 🙂

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  2. Alan:

    Just as you have perverted radicals in the Muslim faith, you have perverted radicals in the Christian faith ( if you can call them Christians). As your picture shows of the protesters at military funerals, we have perverted radicals wearing the American flas as sarongs which is certainly disrespetful not to mention the turmoil they create to the deceased families burying their loved ones. However they have a right to voice their opinions unfortunately. Perhaps if ones that oppose their activity showed up in force these radicals might disperse quickly.

    The Christian pastor in Florida that wants to burn the Muslim bible is a perverted radical, not a conservative. There is a difference. There was another Christian pastor ( perverted radical) out side Pensacola Fla. that announced he and his congregatiion was going to burn many versions of the Christian bible as they were not the true teachings of God. Only the bible they used was the only true bible of God’s words. I have read and studied many different versions of the bible and I have never found any that dictates what this pastor proposes to do. All reflected the same teachings of God’s words. I don’t know what version they reference from but it is not the Lord’s words they are reading. And they are not Christians. More like cult leaders along the category of Jones or Koresh from past history or like the Taliban or Bin Laden twisting what is actually said to fit their agenda.

    I have always said it is easier for the human speices to foster hate over love for others at any time. Racial, religious, and ethnic, predjudices seem to easily over come our ability to live in harmony with others. It is a fundamental flaw in our make up for some reason. Jesus Christ tried to promote love for others in His mission on earth but it fell on many deaf ears. The zealots utilize this hate to spread their venom and manifest it for their own selfish agenda. There in lies the quagmire.

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    1. Larry

      What has been perverted here is a minister who’s hiding behind his faith. Just as it is with radical Islamists but obviously you simply don’t get it as you’re so caught up with this bullshit about what’s on the left and right. What has organized religion actually taught us over the years ? During the civil rights era you had conservative preachers calling for the lynching of blacks in the south so that they knew their place . So don’t come of being a damn hypocrite !

      And by the way he (Jones) is radical conservative minister and he’s stated as much in his local press interviews so check it all out for yourself before you coming of making a damn fool of yourself .

      tophatal …….. 🙂

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    2. Larry

      Clearly you don’t seem to understand the gravity of the issue here. And as to the idiots parading themselves at the scene of military funerals and then saying that they’re ought to be opposition to it all. Why in the hell should there be opposition when those out there protesting have no common courtesy or decency about them to begin with ? And if you read the piece more intently you’d see where I suggest that there’s no dissenting voice amongst the Muslim community as to the activities of the imams and their radical teachings here in the US and abroad .

      And oh by the way this isn’t the first time that Jones has been in the midst of such a cause-celebre as some years ago in Cologne Germany he initiated a race riot because of his idiotic ideology. So at least have the temerity to check things out before coming across like this all meant to be OK .

      tophatal …….. 🙂

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  3. I’m sad to say that I feel that our society has indeed taken a step or two backwards. I am 53 years old and when I was a young man I honestly thought we would have evolved beyond the insanity I see in the world today. My days grow short and I will cope with the madness. It is my children and grandchildren that I pray for.
    God help us all.
    Peace my friend.

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    1. Chris Humpherys

      Freedom of expression is one thing but putting the lives of innocent US civilians and military personnel in harm’s way is another thing through sheer stupidity. And only a dumb ass would try and come out and defend this guy’s right to do this and think it OK ! That’s the asinine thing of this all ! One idiot has already commented that I’m trying to pervert what this preacher is doing . But I’d like to know if this dumb ass preacher is willing to put his life on the line for his so called beliefs ? I guess it’s OK when you choose to hide behind your so called religious beliefs !

      Jones while in Europe had already tried something like this and in doing so incited a race riot in Cologne Germany.

      tophatal ……… 🙂

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  4. I see his point, but….
    As I said in my email, he should learn to fly, buy or rent a plane, fill it with explosives, fly it into a mosque…OVER THERE

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    1. al clements

      If a sh_thead like that is only prepared to hide behind his alleged belief and play the fool what makes you think he’d have the guts to do that (fly a plane into a mosque) to begin with ? Besides he does that and in retribution they’ll kill a couple of innocent American civilians abroad . Where then will it end ?

      It’s not as if this asshole thought about the consequences to begin with . It’s just atypical of idiots such as this who hide behind a relic of an act and then think that there won’t be a consequence to their actions.

      Bombing of the USS Cole .

      Does anyone actually remember the bombing of the USS Cole or the US embassy in Kenya ?

      US embassy in Kenya .

      🙂

      tophatal ……….

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  5. Alan:

    I lived in the civil rights era and participated is some sit ins so don’t go jumping off your high horse with me. I also lived in the south during those times and I never heard of any preachers advocating lynching blacks. Possibly the red necks did promote that thought and I knew of some but they were not of the best caliber people in the first place. Most were still fighting the Civil War and couldn’t let it go.

    I also do not condone what either of the preachers mentioned are planning to do. I would have to also say they are not men of faith but are only using their status to promote their agenda or get publicity. I doubt seroiusly if either one would sacrifice their lives for their faith or agenda. They are the hypocrites. You don’t even know me. How dare you call me a hypocrite. Left or right.It doesn’t matter where I sit politicaly.

    I don’t defend organized religion or Christians. They have flaws which makes it hard for me or others to embrace what they are trying to sell but that doesn’t mean I am not a Christ follower. I am one and proud of it. Just don’t try to categorize me just as I don’t try to categorize you. However, I am beginning to get an idea now.

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    1. Larry

      Were you aware that Jones while in Germany incited a race riot with his idiocy ? But you came out of the blue trying disassociate this guy with what his leanings. Not only that but he has come and stated that he’s of Conservative right wing values.

      If I’ve offended with regard to being a hypocrite then accept my apologies but I find it rather idiotic that apathy is shown with regard to this subject. As I stated and you obviously showed no interest where would the blame lay were the lives of US military men and women placed in harm’s way after Jones’ actions. You simply floated over that without offering an answer but painstakingly state that he was within his right ?

      I suppose the actions of preachers in the sixties who called for the lynching and castration of black men were warranted ?

      Let me ask you this if the US is so enlightened then how is that all this talk about their men who allegedly fought side by side to defend this country during WW II it took them up until 8 years after that conflict’s end to desegregate the military and have it fully none exclusive. This country still has a long way to in order to address a number of social issues.

      We can sit around discuss and dissect this issue but at the end of the day it all boils down to common sense and decency. And clearly neither Jones or Phelps has any of that at all !

      tophatal

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  6. Anyone under the impression that this episode is now over has seriously misjudged the issue as the imam in NYC has no intention of moving the mosque from its present site at all. He’s said as much and the subject isn’t open to discussion as far as he’s concerned . As for Trump wanting to buy the building how much of an ass is that guy to begin with ? He makes the publicity seeking gimmicks of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton seem timid by comparison .

    Donald “I Love To Look At Myself” Trump ! His pubic hairs are of the same resistance as it takes shape dependent upon the environment that he’s in !

    Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf whose mosque is now at the center of the NYC controversy. The blame shouldn’t just be apportioned upon the Muslim community but the idiots on the board of the NYC council who gave the go ahead for the project to begin with ! WTF were they thinking to begin with ? Did it not occur to them there’d be opposition to the project even if there is two other mosques within close proximity of Ground Zero ?

    tophatal

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  7. To each his own, and all that, but religion is out of control. ALL religion. I ascribe to what the brilliant Hitchens says: “The taming and domestication of religious faith is one of the unceasing chores of civilization.”

    In other words, religion is like a penis. It’s fine to have one, it’s fine to be proud of it, just don’t whip it out in public and start waving it around. And PLEASE don’t try and shove it down my children’s throat.

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  8. thejamminjabber

    Hitchens at times can be a bloviated ass ! He tends to play both sides of the fence as he sees fit .

    Here the whole situation is so asinine as this pastor as well as the idiots who show support for him clearly aren’t that intelligent . And hiding the first Amendment is as asinine as it comes . It’s all about respect and common decency or people simply too fu_king dumb to realize that ?

    tophatal 🙂

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  9. In this day and age what is conservatism actually about ? Because clearly it is no longer the stuff that Goldwater espoused . It has now been perverted that it’s meaning is nowhere as clearly defined as espoused by Goldwater.

    Barry Goldwater

    Idiots such Gingrich , Palin and Hannity wouldn’t be able to spot it were it fecal matter on the sole of their shoe !

    As for being fiscally conservative what the f_ck is that about ? Democrats and Republicans have repeatedly ran up the deficit and debt of this country through each election cycle . So let’s simply put that shit to rest shall we and stop this asinine thinking that either side has a clue on that particular topic ?

    tophatal 🙂

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