And clearly we’re about to agree, to disagree …

And clearly we’re about to agree, to disagree ….

By Tophatal

Call me naïve but all of the hype over the teams at the start of the season doesn’t bear out the claims being made by the pundits and fans alike . BCS / College Football anointed USC (Trojans) the number one ranked team in the nation, only to see that program fall from grace faster than a speeding bullet shot up into the air , and with that projectile swiftly falling . The fact that Lane Kiffin tried to play down his team’s woes as being nothing more than complacency and inexperience , clearly indicates that the coach , himself , didn’t believe the “ bull “ he was readily extolling , as he tries to hide behind the disappointment of what might have been .


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The Trojans were 7-5 in overall play and 5-4 within conference ( Pac 12) , in essence when you consider this team was highly-touted as the Pac 12 champions, as well as a bonafide contender for the BCS national title . Well the Trojans’ Bowl aspirations will be down to one of second-tiered Bowl games , and in this case , it will be the Hyundai , sponsored , Sun Bowl , in El Paso , Texas on the 31st December ,2012, when the USC (Trojans ) take on Georgia Tech (Yellow-jackets) . A nondescript game , with a $2 million payout for the winning program, on the day . And we wonder why the BCS in conjunction and the major conferences , have been so slow in dragging their feet and adopting a clear cut formatted playoff system that would be equitable for all? With these multi-million dollar payouts at thee bowl games , it’s better to “ keep the gravy train” rolling along as it is , rather than further having divide the spoils amongst many of the lesser programs who aspire to be playing amongst the big boys of the FBS . As Ohio State Buckeyes’ President , Dr E Gordon Gee once stated “ we’ve no need for programs who can’t play at a higher level and pay for the privilege of doing so “ . Need we be reminded of what was going on at the Buckeyes’ program between 2009 through to 2010, under then , head football coach , Jim Tressel ?

Let’s just say , the stench to be found on the college’s campus , could only be outdone by lies and deceit countenanced by Tressel , his coaching staff and numerous players with the football program at the time. Pay to play , pimp by ride , and I’ll one-up you with , I’ve got a bag a weed , a major drug dealer and gambler handling bets for the players , and a car dealer offering “free rides” (cars) for players to roll around in , with some of the finest ” bling-bling” and “honey dips” (females) available for sexual gratification. Yet somehow this all escaped the watchful eye of AD Gene Smith and the Athletics Department’s compliance officers ? Stevie Wonder could’ve detected that rancorous stench and told you , what , when , why and how ? Buckeyes’ Nation , more like, Fuck You Nation ! And if anyone believes that the installment of Urban Meyer , as the coach of the football program , will bring about a renewed search , for academic and athletic excellence , then , think again ! .

This past weekend within the NFL ,there were a number of results that may well have left you in sheer apoplexy . First off the bat , I will reiterate , there are no do-overs in the NFL , and the Arizona Cardinals cannot , and will not be allowed a second bite of the apple , after their 58-0 shellacking at the hands of the Seattle Seahawks . I am English , and results such as this, normally takes place during a rugby match and not , in an NFL game ! At what point was Cardinals’ head coach Ken Whisenhunt going to press his secondary into making a serious attempt at playing some defense ? Last , I looked , Russell Wilson was not the second coming of Joe Montana , and Marshawn Lynch could not be mistaken for Barry Sanders . Yet somehow, the performances of the Seahawks’ offensive players in this game were somewhat reminiscent of the Forty-Niners at their very best . But let’s take a step back , this is the Arizona Cardinals we are talking about, a franchise that hasn’t been relevant since Kurt Warner was leading them to regular season victories with a great deal of aplomb , before choosing to ride off into the sunset and into the arms of a loving family . Do you get the feeling that the Cardinals’ front office < might not now contemplate giving Warner a call , to gauge his interest in returning to the NFL ? It’s not as if Kevin Kolb , John Skelton and Ryan Lindley , have been able to do that much at the quarterback position for the Arizona Cardinals this season. The trio are amongst the worst performing players at the position within the NFC , and not far off being amongst the worst of a terrible bunch within the NFL as a whole !

I know it’s not Groundhog Day , but the frequency of the losses for the Kansas City Chiefs , have become repetitive and damn monotonous . In the aftermath of the Jovan Belcher “ tragedy” , a rallying cry was heard and a victory came out of an unnecessary tragedy . That being said, it’s back to the ineptitude we’ve seen exhibited with ever-growing frequency from a team that apparently has lost its will to win , and whose coaching staff now seems to be out of their depth.

Sunday afternoon , the Chiefs were the guests of the Cleveland Browns , in a game that would have significant meaning for the Browns , as they sought to keep within striking distance of the Cincinnati Bengals , and avoid ending the season , as bottom feeder within the AFC North . Brandon Weeden was not asked to do a great deal , other than to be efficient , and not put his team at risk during the game. Cleveland came away with a 30-7 victory , which improves their record to 5-8 , while dropping the hapless Kansas City Chiefs to a mediocre 2-11, with only three games left , in order to end their schedule and not further subject their fans to this misery.

For team that was said to have a great deal of of aspiration for the postseason , the Houston Texans have proven to as elusive as they are thrilling . Everything about this team at the start of the season , suggested that they were ready to “ hit the big time” . Well, take into account their first postseason berth , and their displays in 2011 , all that was being asked of Gary Kubiak’s players on Monday night , would be , that they go out, and acquit themselves well . Instead , the Texans ran into the New England Patriots and their buzz-saw offense that simply laid waste to an apathetic and woefully inept Texans’ secondary , that on the day looked lackluster and did in fact play lethargically . I’m not a heavy gambler , but it would be a cold day in hell , before you would be able to entice me to bet on the Houston Texans in any type of a meaningful wager ! This team and franchise has no “ real body work” behind it, other than a exceptionally explosive offense , that plays well during the regular season , but seems to come up short , when it matters most .

We are all aware of what Tom Brady has been able to do over the course of his career , especially during the regular season . Monday , was not necessarily the exception to the rule , but it damn well near came close to it , as the quarterback put on an exhilarating aerial display , that was complemented by a solid rushing game led by Stevan Ridley , Danny Woodhead , Shane Vereen ,and Brandon Bolden making the Patriots’ offense was relentless on the ground. And as much we have seen the defense of the AFC East franchise play poorly during this season , we were able to finally see a game from where all the parts seem to come together . A secondary that on average , this season, has been giving up 376 yards and 21.1 points per game through the first thirteen games of 2012. Given the fact that Patriots’ head coach, Bill Belichick and defensive coordinator, Matt Patricia , simply put together a scheme and sets that stymied the Texans’ offense from the beginning to the end of the four quarters . And to see Matt Schaub , perhaps in his worst game of 2012 , it was enough an indicator , to suggest the quarterback is just capable of putting up great numbers , and little else beyond that. Schaub , has yet to win a playoff game in his career , and this is where I believe far too many people have bought into the idiocy that this is the team to beat in the AFC . Well , Monday night , was a clear indication that the Texans are not as good as advertised , because fans only saw what they wanted to see , rather than what was clearly there to be seen

Now while it appears the final verdict has been rendered , with presiding adjudicator , Paul Tagliabue’s decision to overturn Roger Goodell’s original suspensions of Wil Smith , Scott Fujita , Anthony Hargrove and Jonathan Vilma . Tagliabue’s verdict does not excuse the player’s actions but he believes that the preponderance of evidence gathered shows the actions of the New Orleans Saints in this “ Bounty Scandal “ was in fact initiated by the actions of Sean Payton , Gregg Williams , Joe Vitt and countenanced by GM Micky Loomis . This remains a damning indictment of the NFL franchise but of anything , it also indicates that the commissioner far exceeded his authority .

Goodell, has always maintained his actions followed the “letter of the law”. But at no time has the commissioner acted accordingly in his deliberations and interviews with the alleged defendants when they met in private. Much , much to the dismay of the fans , the public and those amongst the legal establishment , the actions of Roger Goodell were not tempered by any sound judgment and the impartiality sought from someone who has to assess the evidence based on the facts as they are known to be . And no matter what concessions that were made by the NFLPA (Players’ Union) , as it relates to their collective bargaining agreement with the NFL hierarchy , at times the commissioner’s actions bordered upon being those of individual who simply sought to make a scapegoat of the players , rather than the Saints’ franchise as a whole . Paul Tagliabue may well be seen as a reprieve for the four players , but in no way it should it be viewed that way. They are guilty , it is just that their guilt is mitigated by overwhelming proof that without the direct orders of the coaches , much of what we now know to have taken place would not have been executed without the “ say so” and implicit orders of Micky Loomis , Sean Payton and the head coach’s subordinates , Gregg Williams and Joe Vitt. Which now begs the question , how is it that Roger Goodell could not have come to this conclusion and have rendered a decision that would have been amenable to all of the parties concerned , and wherein a monetary fine that could have, and should been levied against the four players , rather than the continued idiocy we have witnessed ? Tagliabue, upheld the commissioner’s original suspensions of Payton , Vitt , Loomis and Williams , without making any recommendations that any further action be taken . Should we now consider the matter closed ? Well , that would be dependent upon whether or you believe Paul Tagliabue’s decision to be fair and impartial . From my own perspective , even with the union’s original decision to challenge the former commissioner’s impartiality to preside over such a matter , we did in fact get to see how a legal mind does work, when you have someone with a legal background presiding over such a case .

Appears Courtesy of the Washington Post

Paul Tagliabue vacates all discipline for players in Saints bounty case

By Mark Maske , Washington Post

Former NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue on Tuesday overturned the suspensions of four current and former New Orleans Saints players and declined to fine them for their roles in the team’s alleged bounty scandal .

Tagliabue, appointed by Commissioner Roger Goodell to hear the players’ appeals, agreed that New Orleans conducted a program that paid players for hits that injured opponents, and that three Saints — linebacker Jonathan Vilma and defensive linemen Will Smith and Anthony Hargrove — were guilty of conduct detrimental to pro football.

But because “this entire case has been contaminated by the coaches and others in the Saints organization,” Tagliabue wrote that he would not impose fines either.

A fourth player, linebacker Scott Fujita, did not engage in conduct detrimental to the NFL, Tagliabue concluded in his 22-page decision.

“I affirm Commissioner Goodell’s factual findings as to the four players,” Tagliabue wrote in his 22-page ruling. “I conclude that Hargrove, Smith and Vilma — but not Fujita — engaged in ‘conduct detrimental to the integrity of, and public confidence in, the game of professional football.’

“I fully considered but ultimately rejected reducing the suspensions to fines of varying degrees for Hargrove, Smith and Vilma,” Tagliabue added.

None of the players has missed a game because of suspensions. They have been allowed to play while appeals are pending, though Fujita is on injured reserve and Hargrove is not with a team.

A league official called Tagliabue’s ruling the end of the process under the collective bargaining agreement between the NFL and its players’ union.


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Paul Tagliabue , whose legal background and experience as a corporate trial attorney and managing senior partner with law firm , Covington & Burling LLC , of which he was also a founding partner , gave him greater insight than any , that could have been found with his NFL successor , Roger Goodell. What this now further does in quite possibly lowering the public’s perception of the NFL , has to be tempered by one’s own opinion of Roger Goodell’s , as the hierarchy’s commissioner . There’s no denying that he has , and will continue to make decisions that far outreach the parameters of his responsibilities, and many of the verdicts rendered will be looked upon as being asinine in a number of cases , whereas in others, they will actually make some common sense . But in all honesty, in recent years, Roger Goodell’s decision-making has more to do with sheer buffoonery , rather than being sound in its reasoning ! He has been in large part, a simpleton on appearance , been someone who cannot be succinct or for that matter , and as an individual , his communicative skills border on that of someone, who has a considerably hard time of making sense of the English language, orally , as well as, in the written word ! .Your opinion on this ?



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What thoughts if any , do you have with regard to the NFL season so far , and which teams do you now feel have more to worry about with regard to their ongoing precarious plight ? And is there any one ball club that you feel over the past three weeks has stood out as a legitimate contender for the Superbowl , above everyone else ? Also are you in agreement with this verdict rendered by Paul Tagliabue and do you see it as an end to this long episode concerning the New Orleans Saints and Roger Goodell ? Simply chime in with your thoughts on this and anything else you feel may well be pertinent to the subject matter .

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(1) Head Coach Lane Kiffin of the USC Trojans greets senior, Matt Barkley (7) before the game against the Notre Dame Fighting Irish at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum on November 24, 2012 in Los Angeles, California. USC would go on to lose the game 23-13 to the Fighting Irish. Harry How / Getty Images North America …

(2) Everett Golson (5) of the Notre Dame (Fighting Irish) runs an option as he is pursued by Leonard Williams (94) of the USC Trojans at Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum on November 24, 2012 in Los Angeles, California. Getty Images / Harry How …

(3) New England Patriots wide receiver Donte’ Stallworth (19) catches a pass in front of Houston Texans defensive back Brandon Harris (26) before running it in for a touchdown during the third quarter of an NFL football game in Foxborough, Mass., Monday, Dec. 10, 2012. The Patriots would go on to defeat the Texans 42-14 . AP Photo/Elise Amendola ….

(4) Houston Texans quarterback Matt Schaub (8) and head coach Gary Kubiak talk during the second quarter of an NFL football game against the New England Patriots in Foxborough, Mass., Monday, Dec. 10, 2012. AP Photo/Steven Senne …

(5) New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady (12) celebrates his 37-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver Brandon Lloyd (85) during the first quarter of an NFL football game against the Houston Texans in Foxborough, Mass., Monday, Dec. 10, 2012. AP Photo/Elise Amendola ….

(6) (6) NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell, left , is seen here alongside Paul Tagliabue , who at one time held the position as commissioner before choosing to step down and to be succeeded by Goodell. The incumbent was a protege` of Tagliabue who returned to private practice with the DC based law firm, Covington & Burling LLC . Roger Goodell , having recused himself from presiding over the appeals of the four Saints’ players embroiled in the “bounty scandal ” appealed to Paul Tagliabue to preside over that hearing . Paul Tagliabue’s decision was to overturn the originally rendered verdict of Roger Goodell , but he also cited that the players’ “actions while egregious “ they did not bear the greatest responsibility of the ensuing actions they were said to be involved in. Tagliabue pointed to the fact that an environment of contempt , deceit and greed was fostered and engineered by head coach Sean Payton, along with the compliance of Joe Vitt , former assistant , Gregg Williams , and general manager , Micky Loomis . Picture appears courtesy of CBS Sports @ all rights reserved copyrighted material …

(7) Saints’ defensive player Jonathan Vilma is seen here arriving at NFL headquarters in New York City , to answer questions by the league’s investigators into the Saints’ bounty scandal . Vilma refused to answer any of the questions asked, citing the league’s lack of evidence, and the very fact much of the evidence gathered was ” hearsay” with no tangible proof of his direct involvement . The player’s legal representation was provided by the NFLPA (Players’ Union) at the request of NFLPA Executive Director , DeMaurice Smith . Courtesy of the Los Angeles Times/ Alex Ortega ….



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27 thoughts on “And clearly we’re about to agree, to disagree …”

  1. “Until the fans and players do right by me, and treat me with respect , then I’m going to be a complete a$$hole ” ! Roger Goodell

    Why change now Goodell ? In the fans’ legitimately , you have always been an a$$hole , So don’t stop on our account because any perceived improvement on your part and things are still going to look bad for the NFL !

    Another slap in the face for Roger Goodell , as further proof he has no intelligence , respect for the rule of law , much less is he willing to take much-needed advice from those who are versed in certain legal issues . Is it any wonder he now alienates and the fans and he’s about as welcomed as a severe dose of gonorrhea .

    If it’s Chiefs are losing , it’s Groundhog Day. Puxsatawney Phil where are you ?

    The Bidwills , owners of the Cardinals are very much like the Spanos family as owners of the Chargers , They simply have no goddam clue as to what they hell they’re doing with regard to their respective franchises . The teams’ respective records speaks volumes as to their incompetency , and the same too , goes for the Chiefs , with Clark Hunt and his family .

    At least when Robert Horry played the game , there was a reason wy they called him “Big Shot Bob ” . In the case of Matt Schaub , he should be called Matt ‘ Got ‘No Game “ Schaub . Big numbers that’s all this player has , Think Jeff George , higher IQ , but without a real rocket for an arm .

    Jeff George

    Head coach Gary Kubiak & Matt Schaub

    Matt we’re down 28 points , so here’s what we do . You feign and injury , I will help off you the field , but on the way to locker rooms I’ll incite our fans to riot , that way the referees will call off the game , right there and then . Sounds like a plan and are you on board ?

    Jeff George and Matt Schaub came from the same gene pool in terms of their play. Lots of stops along the way in George’s career with a limited amount of success , Could it end up being the same way for Schaub ? If no one has noticed, that Colts’ team is damn good , and they’ve been improving each week .

    Tophatal ……………


  2. If nothing else, at least we proved that a college football team can enter the season unranked and still make the BCS title game.

    Oh, and the reason I answered “Yes, I am entirely happy” to the first question in your poll is because I thought Tagliabue’s decision totally overrode Goodell’s and showed us all a) how heavy-handed his decision was and b) how much power and common sense the man really has.


    1. Chris Humpherys (@SportsChump)

      Goodell has a litany of lawyers (Jeff Pash , Chief Legal Counsel & Adolphus Birch III ,Chief Labor Negotiator for the NFL) at his beck and call, but it’s clear that he chooses not to heed their advice and it has gotten him into more trouble than the league hierarchy would care to admit. I can tell you this , after Tagliabue’s binding decision , this leaves the commissioner in an uneasy position and alliance with the owners that is now even more shaky than ever before ! . This process has cost the league , not just monetarily but also from a PR standpoint .

      Goodell has not been of any benefit to the league as its commissioner ! The guy is a pompous windbag who’s completely devoid of intelligence . Is it any wonder, that after this decision came down , players around the league were “tweeting ” , mocking the commissioner, and essentially calling him a buffoon , which just happens to be , without a doubt !

      No denying, that the USC (Trojans) had high hopes of making it to a BCS Bowl game but all of that went up in smoke as the losses mounted up . At the same while the team looked good on paper , on the field they were marginally above average, and it’s reflected in their standing in the Pac-12 and specifically with regard to their play and results overall , in 2012 .

      In the national title game , I cannot see Notre Dame overcoming Alabama (Crimson Tide) under any circumstance at all ! The Tide are by far the better team on both side of the balla , but the matchup itself , should prove to thrilling .

      Tophatal ………..


  3. This too shall pass, Al. The NFL will be just fine, that is until all the concussion and defamation of character lawsuits are brought to light.

    That’s when they should start to worry.

    Look for that whole defamation suit to be settled out of court with terms undisclosed.


  4. If I’m Jonathan Vilma , I would still go after Goodell in the US Federal Court system for slander , libel , and defamation of character . The commissioner has behaved like a pompous ass all along , never once , truly listening to any sound legal advice that might have been provided . As I have always maintained , Roger Goodell is a clueless buffoon !

    Chris , how can the NFL be fine ? In the space of week we’ve had a a murder suicide of one NFL player , (Jovan Belcher) , and the vehicular DUI death of Jerry Brown , the Cowboys’ player . Never-mind that the drug of choice now , amongst the NFL players is the drug , Adderall . So unless you’ve buried your head in the sand there’s still an ongoing $$cking mess in the league .

    Tophatal ………..


  5. Why in the hell hasn’t Kiffin been fired? The man is a fraud as a coach and a failure as a human being.
    Imo the Saints coaching staff got what they deserved and I still think some of the players were taking cheap shots at opposing players, but ultimately it was management that was responsible.


    1. Trojans AD Pat Haden is not going to fire Lane Kiffin , unless he’s given cause to , but I do believe that the coach has to be kept on a tight leash , He’s already been the subject of a number of impromptu warnings by the NCAA .

      is an oaf to begin with ! He’s clueless and you can hear it in is enunciation, when he speaks publicly . He should never have been installed as Tagliabue’s successor , but because of this asinine old boys’ network that now exists in the league today amongst the hierarchy and owners , the whole entity has become one goddam great big mess !

      Tophatal …………………


  6. Matt Schaub is a good QB, he just falls victim to the same curse as most of them in that he’s not a great QB. There’s only about 5 or 6 of them to go around, and the rest have to make do with what they have.

    Schaub can still have his moment to prove himself, but the Texans need to make sure they get home field advantage throughout the playoffs. It would be much better for Schaub to play at home than on the road.


    1. Fan On Fire Maurice Barksdale

      Schaub may well be a good quarterback , but on paper all he has ever been is a good regular season player and not much else beyond that . Monday night , he went into the lions’ den , and he came out of it scarred and confused . They will(Texans) still end up with the #1 seed , but I am not banking on them making it beyond the conference championship game !

      Say hello to my friend’s “two best friends ” It’s Coco Austin and her “twins”

      Tophatal …………………………


    1. Goodell had Paul Tagliabue , a corporate lawyer as his mentor , for a number of years before , Roger Goodell ascended into his current position . Tagliabue has since returned to the firm he co-founded , Covington & Burling LLC , a noted DC law firm . The commissioner has a Bsc . in Economics , and I believe that was the primary reason the voters/owners favored him over what I believe to have been and were far more noteworthy candidates !

      Topahatal …..


  7. Roger Goodell is an imbecile, as he refuses to be conciliatory towards the Saints’ players . He should also take note , that he’s not out of the woods as of yet , because Jonathan Vilma’s defamation lawsuit lodged jointly against the NFL as well as Goodell as a single and co-defendant , has yet to be deal with at the Federal level of the US Federal Court System .

    The commissioner is trying to get back into the fans’ good graces by talking about expanding the NFL’s playoff format from twelve to sixteen teams . That’s half of the league’s occupants making it to the postseason . That’s not rewarding teams for their efforts during the season . All that is being done here with regard to this proposed change is to seek further leverage with the broadcasters , in garnering extra money when it comes to the renegotiating of the bloated television contracts for an often watered-down product .

    Imagine if you will , last season’s playoffs with four the four additional teams within two conferences and how that whole scenario might have played itself out .

    Tophatal …..


  8. Mud on God dell……same for the NFL. Like that first chich cept for the tats.
    Could we all do without sports for a while?? Close it all down for a season each with no pay for anyone. Each League has gotten to the point where (in my opinion) where it is not about putting out a good brand of entertainment but making as much money as possible.


    1. In the past eighteen months , Goodell has become a pompous and conceited ass ! He treats the NFL , as if it were his own personal fiefdom , much as in the same way Stern does with the NBA and Selig with MLB . I’d mention the NHL , but that group is so fu#king clueless , that it doesn’t really bear a response !


      1. Nary a damn thing!! Thus far I believe his edicts has caused irreparable harn to the League.
        Dunno if it is all him pulling this crap, but he does have the final say


        1. al clements

          The > US government gives a ” fiscal cliff , while they piss on us all . Meanwhile, the NFL presents us , with a self absorbed ass wipe in , Roger Goodell , and it’s still ” business as usual ” with those pompous assholes !

          Well I’ll present you with some tits-n-ass . Porn star Bree Olson

          Tophatal ……….


          1. Now you know why this Nation has gone to shit….Same for our pro sports. banks, corporations, etal.
            Screw the little people, make as much money as you can, whether by illegal or unethical means…the hell with the Nation….greed has effectively screwed us all…cept those in power, whether in government of elsewhere. Ain’t goona get no better either!


            1. al clements

              Earlier this week, the Justice Dept were lauding the fact that they successfully got UK financial concern HSBC to agree to fines of $1.9 billion for money-laundering funds for the drug cartels as well as monies of the Iranian government . All well and good , but consider the fact the law enforcement arm (Justice) of the government has failed to indict a single senior banking executive behind the financial sector meltdown ., US AG Eric Holder is so full of shit , that it is beyond belief that this fu#king asshole still retains his position within Obama’s cabinet !

              “What’s wrong with you all ? Fast And Furious , was a successful movie franchise that has netted over $1.3 billion worldwide . What has that got to do with gunrunning and the drug cartels in Mexico ” ? Eric Holder US Attorney General

              Need I say anymore on the matter ?

              Tophatal …………..


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